Post by: jcbuff on October 18, 2001, 06:31:54 PM
I just beat #3 as well, � (the � design, move the center point down one more).
jcbuff
(Edited by jcbuff at 12:53 pm on Oct. 18, 2001)
Post by: B-Nut on October 18, 2001, 07:38:19 PM
#2 - 13,664 (I'll be damned if this one can be beat either)
Post by: B-Nut on October 18, 2001, 08:42:57 PM
It might be possible to go even cheaper than that but I haven't tried messing with it.
Try this one on for size, #4 - 17XXX with only 4 broken links after all 4 passes.
Post by: dewpac on October 20, 2001, 07:00:32 AM
#14 - 51396 clean of course
(Edited by dewpac at 12:25 am on Oct. 20, 2001)
Post by: Gray on October 18, 2001, 09:05:54 PM
4: 23240
5: 25528
6: 32408
7: 35712
8: 44256
9: 63308
10: 49848
11: 52708
12: 78996 (this one is pretty bad, done in simple mode)
Trust me, Hard, 0 BL, TT
Post by: falkon2 on October 20, 2001, 11:16:02 AM
s13 - 62852
(Edited by falkon2 at 5:27 am on Oct. 20, 2001)
Post by: Bainbridge on October 18, 2001, 10:05:29 PM
4: 22952
6: 30196
7: 34764
8: 45238
10: 52332
I don't think I've broken any rules, but what does TT'able mean?
Post by: efflixi on October 20, 2001, 07:20:20 PM
If you really did mean MP 2 then its easy to get that done without getting wet, just arch the deck.
(Edited by efflixi at 12:21 pm on Oct. 20, 2001)
Post by: Dreadnough on October 31, 2001, 12:33:46 PM
Since we may not reply to the thread you should post this link instead.
(Edited by Dreadnough at 2:34 pm on Oct. 31, 2001)
Post by: on October 18, 2001, 10:14:06 PM
Actually, I think this still has a very slight settle time. The way to be sure is to go into the test screen, hit pause, reset, run train, then pause again to get things moving. That's the way I've been doing it anyway.
If you can confirm those scores I'll stick em in the list :-)
Sooner or later we're gonna have to start verifying these - Gray, how did you organise that for BB?
Post by: on October 21, 2001, 12:19:43 AM
Good luck all!
Post by: falkon2 on October 31, 2001, 12:54:30 PM
Post by: dewpac on October 19, 2001, 02:06:06 AM
Post by: Gray on October 21, 2001, 01:05:27 AM
s8: 43262
s11: 52064 (####, why didn't I optimize 8 and 11 earlier? Now falkon2 got them first!
(Edited by Gray at 3:32 am on Oct. 21, 2001)
Post by: Dreadnough on October 31, 2001, 01:03:57 PM
Actually when I click on your link I end up in a reply form with the text in the form. Like if I am editing it.
Post by: on February 14, 2002, 02:51:09 PM
s05: 24696
s08: 40930
s11: 49038
(Edited by Chillum at 3:31 pm on Feb. 14, 2002)
Post by: Gray on October 19, 2001, 10:30:52 AM
Update:
4: 22140
6: 29548
7: 33272
13: 57314
14: 52512
Verified my bridges, all work with 0 delay (pause, reset, start train, unpause)
I suggest the following abbreviations:
NBL, AD (works with any delay), Clean = hard, NBL, AD
(Edited by Gray at 3:37 pm on Oct. 19, 2001)
Post by: Tyree on October 21, 2001, 12:04:06 PM
I can't figure out how some of you are working your magic.
(Edited by Tyree at 6:14 pm on Oct. 26, 2001)
Post by: falkon2 on October 31, 2001, 01:58:23 PM
Post by: Calis on February 22, 2002, 07:57:09 AM
Where do we start to consider a train being wet?
1. When the first bit of water creeps up above any part of the deck (dark water color on the deck surface)?
2. When the train gets a noticeable slowdown?
3. When the first bit of water is visible in front of the train using the in-train view?
4. When the slowdown effect is *needed* to save the bridge?
If it is 3. or 4., I claim a 56996 for normal level 12 :)
Post by: King on October 19, 2001, 01:23:21 PM
Post by: VRBones on October 24, 2001, 02:48:26 PM
Also made some slight mods on 10
10. 45108
Post by: Gray on October 31, 2001, 03:36:09 PM
Post by: on February 22, 2002, 02:25:37 PM
Nice to see you back!
Post by: Gray on September 07, 2002, 10:38:40 PM
Post by: on October 19, 2001, 02:53:20 PM
I've been wondering about the 'works with any delay' thing...there's actually no practical way to test that. I've had to discard bridges as they've popped the odd link on a certain delay, even though I've been unable to replicate that. I think the only practical, empirical way to compare bridges is to use the zero delay method.
I'm not suggesting we adopt this for our little competition, after all it's only a game. Just something I've been thinking about and thought I'd share with y'all!
Post by: on October 25, 2001, 04:37:49 PM
Post by: Dreadnough on October 31, 2001, 04:10:16 PM
Changed it.
Post by: Calis on February 22, 2002, 10:41:06 PM
Inspired by our new Secundus, I got a clean and dry 86790 for normal level 16 (further optimizations pending - Gray did cover a wider gap with less money. I guess, sub 80k should be possible here ;)
Hmm... do the contest2 bridges (without using the supports in the middle) automatically count as new L15 records?
(same span, and similar water level :)
BTW: What about wet train solutions for contests? This was not adressed in the rules, right?
(Edited by Calis at 3:40 am on Feb. 23, 2002)
Post by: Gray on September 08, 2002, 09:57:06 AM
)
Post by: falkon2 on October 26, 2001, 03:19:17 AM
s12 - 67364
s11 - 97328
Triangle spamming rox0r
(Edited by falkon2 at 9:14 pm on Oct. 25, 2001)
Post by: Gray on October 31, 2001, 04:37:44 PM
S16 - 91957 wOOt
Post by: on February 23, 2002, 09:22:26 PM
Post by: Gray on September 11, 2002, 05:31:04 PM
s12: 51348
(Edited by Gray at 8:09 pm on Sep. 11, 2002)
Post by: Dreadnough on October 26, 2001, 12:41:00 PM
I've just made level 6 with 26784$
Post by: falkon2 on November 01, 2001, 09:00:53 AM
There HAS to be a way to beat s6's current score =(
Post by: Gray on February 24, 2002, 10:45:48 PM
Update: It doesn't work on S15 because of the terrain being more restrictive. It seems Oggy's bridge could work though, since it has a different structure.
(Edited by Gray at 3:59 pm on Feb. 25, 2002)
Post by: on November 03, 2001, 01:21:01 AM
(Edited by Chillum at 3:13 am on Nov. 3, 2001)
Post by: on March 21, 2002, 09:21:01 PM
Post by: Gray on November 04, 2001, 02:06:09 AM
s15 - 93322
(Edited by Gray at 4:25 am on Nov. 4, 2001)
Post by: Gray on April 13, 2002, 06:52:16 PM
Post by: on April 18, 2002, 08:30:40 AM
Post by: on April 21, 2002, 09:31:40 PM
Post by: Gray on October 19, 2001, 03:22:02 PM
BTW, the L1 solution was first announced by Falkon2 in my forum, so I think you should credit him for it.
Post by: VRBones on October 19, 2001, 03:48:13 PM
(Edited by VRBones at 8:50 am on Oct. 19, 2001)
Post by: on October 19, 2001, 04:11:11 PM
On the subject of the train touching water, personally I think this should be allowed, but how does everyone else feel?
Gray, I knew I'd seen that score before but I didn't know whose it was, thanks for that.
Oh, and:
Level 6: 29476
Post by: Gray on October 26, 2001, 06:18:00 PM
s12 - 62728
Post by: VRBones on October 19, 2001, 04:52:52 PM
Letting the train touch the water drastically changes what you can get away with as you can use it to 'brake' the train, thus eliminating undesired wobble etc. If you're counting no breaks, I'd count no water touches either. That said there should be a no-holds-barred section too ;)
Post by: Gray on October 27, 2001, 01:39:53 AM
s16 - 115416
(Edited by Gray at 12:47 pm on Oct. 27, 2001)
Post by: falkon2 on October 19, 2001, 06:48:46 PM
But anyway, I'll be nice and not make a lot of fuss about the scores, since I'm such a nice insane gentleman (who coincidentally is both insane and nice, without being to overly repetitive about repetition and all that digressing crap) and all, but anyway, back to the scores.
I think wet bridges should be allowed, more than a few of the records are wet bridges, and the map pack second level cannot be solved without the water touching the train anyway (No matter how slightly the bridge deforms, the train goes for a swim)
s4 clean - 21424
Edit: Exact score as Gray for level 5 as well (why am I not surprised? =P)
And:
s6 clean - 27348
s8 clean - 43262
s11 clean - 52064
s16 clean - 118204 (Not going to last though, so I thought I'd just give Gray something to beat =) )
(Edited by falkon2 at 1:12 pm on Oct. 19, 2001)
Post by: falkon2 on October 28, 2001, 03:18:06 PM
s5 - 25188
s7 - 32568
s15 - 93868
Must commend Dreadnough on 6... Simple idea yet effective =) (I got an identical score, so if you hadn't gotten that record, I would have)
Oh yeah, Gray is amazing inspiration =) =) =)
(Edited by falkon2 at 9:35 am on Oct. 28, 2001)
Post by: on November 04, 2001, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: on October 19, 2001, 09:02:45 PM
falkon2 (and jcbuff), I'm giving you shared credit for levels 2 and 3. This is just a temporary unofficial list, when the real one gets going whoever runs it can make a decision about that.
I'm beginning to regret ever starting this #### post!
Post by: Gray on October 28, 2001, 06:29:24 PM
(Edited by Gray at 8:56 pm on Oct. 28, 2001)
Post by: Gray on November 04, 2001, 09:05:04 PM
Post by: Gray on October 20, 2001, 02:08:24 AM
You're lucky I'm going to bed now
Post by: falkon2 on October 29, 2001, 12:54:42 AM
Post by: on November 04, 2001, 11:19:19 PM
It doesn't involve deleting/replacing any deck steel, I got it under 6 thou that way too. Let's discuss this in the 'clean bridge' thread?
[edit] I've changed the score table while this is being discussed [/edit]
(Edited by Chillum at 12:38 am on Nov. 5, 2001)
Post by: jackman on April 25, 2002, 08:54:11 PM
86066
Post by: VRBones on October 20, 2001, 02:19:54 AM
12. 67468
(Edited by VRBones at 9:04 pm on Oct. 19, 2001)
Post by: falkon2 on October 29, 2001, 12:32:46 PM
Post by: Gray on November 05, 2001, 01:52:10 PM
Considering the record itself, I claimed it earlier (on ICQ), on Oct. 23, just after we found the bug (mendel (and maybe also Falkon2) can prove it)... really easy
(Edited by Gray at 3:53 pm on Nov. 5, 2001)
Post by: on May 10, 2002, 08:17:51 AM
Post by: falkon2 on October 20, 2001, 04:05:32 AM
This is like the game of Snatch from Tom and Jerry!
Post by: Gray on October 29, 2001, 08:43:35 PM
Post by: on November 05, 2001, 02:36:24 PM
I'll change the list again again!
Post by: on May 14, 2002, 02:00:51 AM
Post by: JohnK on October 20, 2001, 04:19:20 AM
I think wet bridges should be allowed, more than a few of the records are wet bridges, and the map pack second level cannot be solved without the water touching the train anyway (No matter how slightly the bridge deforms, the train goes for a swim)
Not if you arch the bridge up. But on some levels isn't it automatically a dirty bridge? (ex. any one that uses a plug to fit across the river.)
Post by: on October 31, 2001, 01:07:08 AM
s16 - 110416
Yay! I'm back on my list! :-D
Post by: mendel on November 05, 2001, 02:51:35 PM
))Gray 23 Oct, 18.12 CEST: eigentlich nur 6522, mit dem snap-bug, aber es geht auch 5284 wenn man das steel austauscht, hab ich gestern nicht realisiert
(just for the record)
Not translated because only the numbers matter, and it's a mixture of German and English anyway, "snap-bug" refers to making a crooked deck by getting the deck to snap to a joint that is slightly off, and "steel austauscht" means exchanging deck steel for light steel (which it has been decided would be cheating). CEST= GMT+2.
(Edited by mendel at 10:05 am on Nov. 18, 2001)
Post by: dennytho on May 22, 2002, 01:00:12 AM
Post by: falkon2 on October 31, 2001, 09:43:44 AM
(Edited by falkon2 at 6:56 am on Oct. 31, 2001)
Post by: Gray on November 06, 2001, 08:10:42 PM
Post by: Gray on May 23, 2002, 04:08:20 PM
Post by: Dreadnough on October 31, 2001, 12:19:23 PM
(Edited by Dreadnough at 6:08 pm on Oct. 31, 2001)
Post by: falkon2 on November 17, 2001, 04:31:19 PM
s08 - 43072
s10 - 43672
Post by: mdw on July 28, 2002, 01:43:48 AM
s3 16741.
This is a 'wet' bridge.
I've replicated the records for levels 1, 2 and 6, but I'm generally having troubles getting even close on the rest.
Post by: Klei on November 18, 2001, 03:20:19 PM
Post by: on July 28, 2002, 08:48:37 PM
I can't figure out how you got 16741... but I did figure out how to get:
s3 - 16678 (also a wet bridge)
Keep trying though!
(by the way, you can look at a lot of the record bridges here).
Post by: on January 18, 2002, 09:55:55 AM
I want some new levels :-(
Post by: on August 13, 2002, 01:41:36 AM
s14: 46250
Been struggling with this level for ages.. finally... :biggrin:
Post by: mdw on August 18, 2002, 08:09:01 AM
Post by: on October 17, 2001, 02:45:09 AM
(Edited by Chillum at 1:36 am on Sep. 9, 2002)
Post by: on August 25, 2002, 08:41:41 PM
s09: 60958
s11: 48156 (with a tip of the Hatlo hat to Genieser!)
Post by: JohnK on October 17, 2001, 03:41:22 AM
Post by: on October 17, 2001, 05:13:53 AM
Post by: B-Nut on October 17, 2001, 07:35:33 PM
1. 6596 (I don't think this number can be improved on)
2. 14308 (This required thinking "out of the box")
Post by: on October 17, 2001, 10:20:20 PM
Did you give it time to settle before you ran the train over, or run it over straight away?
(to do that I hit pause, reset, run train then hit pause again to get things moving)
Post by: B-Nut on October 17, 2001, 10:32:31 PM
That's a coincidence... I had a level 2 bridge for 14308 exactly and I thought it was clean at first, but when I tested it a few more times it fell to bits :-O
Did you give it time to settle before you ran the train over, or run it over straight away?
(to do that I hit pause, reset, run train then hit pause again to get things moving)
Crap, this is wierd, I just ran the exact same design on my pc at home (P3-750) and on the 4th and final run a single link broke... but at my PC at work (P2-400) it cleared all 4 passes without a single break! I wonder if the CPU speed affects the velocity of the train which in turn affects the stresses on the bridge.
Post by: on October 17, 2001, 11:04:11 PM
I've noticed some odd stuff happening, like completely symmetrical bridges snapping links on just one side when they "settle".
Post by: bluuman on October 18, 2001, 02:57:01 AM
p.s. You beat me in every level exept for:
9. 99760
12. 91496
14. 67188
Post by: King on October 18, 2001, 04:46:51 PM
4. 26788
6. 36734
9. 72868
(why am I so far ahead with this one? it's not special)
12. 86144
14. 57864
15. 102912
ouch...! you guys killed me on 16. My best on it so far is 177824. I'd like to see your bridges for that one!
of course these bridges all have 0 busted links on hard.
--edit--
Okay, I see why I did so badly on 16... that's where I decided to try my hand at arch building. Let's see what I can do from scratch.
(Edited by King at 9:57 am on Oct. 18, 2001)