Post by: JohnK on October 17, 2001, 02:46:08 AM
Level 8: 24940
Level 13: 40836
smoking is bad.0 broken links on hard, tt'able!
Post by: deepgreen on October 17, 2001, 06:10:58 PM
Level 8 : 23116 hehe
Of course on hard, 0 broken links and tt'able
Ich kann gar nicht soviel essen wie ich kotzen möchte
Post by: Gray on October 17, 2001, 06:27:24 PM
Post by: Sang on October 17, 2001, 07:58:36 PM
(Edited by Sang at 1:06 pm on Oct. 17, 2001)
Post by: on October 19, 2001, 02:21:45 PM
Post by: deepgreen on October 18, 2001, 02:33:19 PM
Level 16 : 268764 $
BTW: Is it allowed to use the high detail grid ?
Post by: Zeilon on October 19, 2001, 04:36:58 PM
Am I doing something wrong or am I doing something wrong
:confused:Post by: alcor on November 05, 2001, 05:56:54 PM
yeah, 106 is clean.
it's a really unorthodox design, moves around a lot and comes close to braking, but lasts. i can make it much more stable with a little money, but why?
excuse me know, i need to go beat your 102
Post by: Gray on October 18, 2001, 02:42:57 PM
Post by: Sang on October 19, 2001, 04:42:35 PM
Post by: alcor on November 06, 2001, 08:02:10 AM
i've discovered your 36292 and PERFECTED it
And now for a few more gems:
101 -> 53218
102 -> 36226
107 -> 122888
112 -> 65120
115 -> 142374 (no, that's not a typo)
116 -> 237724
Post by: on October 18, 2001, 03:08:54 PM
Gray, your level 2 score has been givin me nightmares! I managed to squeeze mine down to 40394 but anything else just falls apart. Grrrrrr!
Post by: Zeilon on October 19, 2001, 05:10:23 PM
I have to understand or i'll go crazy :wink:
Post by: Gray on November 06, 2001, 11:12:35 AM
)My 36292 is the best 102 clean bridge so far.
Post by: falkon2 on November 10, 2001, 03:26:49 PM
Edit: did some experimenting.. if you let it settle, it breaks on the first pass... weird.
(Edited by falkon2 at 8:40 am on Nov. 10, 2001)
Post by: deepgreen on October 18, 2001, 03:17:06 PM
11 : 105964
15 : 208544
Post by: MrTaco on October 19, 2001, 05:50:29 PM
Post by: alcor on November 06, 2001, 05:03:27 PM
And yeah, i figured that you would have thought about moving it up one, but i wanted to break your record so bad that i ignored that rational thought
Well, i just hope you don't beat my 105
Post by: alcor on November 13, 2001, 06:53:00 AM
I have the feeling Gray will discover that about half my records break with some obscure timing or are illegal for some reason..
i can't wait! *sarcasm*
Post by: on October 18, 2001, 05:41:27 PM
I'm a bit tentative with this one. It's not symmetrical, and its mirror image pops a strut on some timings. Still, as I haven't been able to break this one yet, I'm posting it!
Post by: on October 19, 2001, 11:54:49 PM
Post by: Gray on November 06, 2001, 06:21:49 PM
You have to start the train with a medium-fast double click (on my Celeron850, anyway).My 105 bridge is close, but it breaks a few links - ARGH
Post by: falkon2 on November 13, 2001, 10:45:15 AM
107 - 116684
112 - 61138
I *DETEST* this map pack. Give me a straight level with a REAL engineering challenge any day. Danged one-ways and z-asymmetricals =)
Post by: dennytho on May 20, 2002, 05:42:57 AM
Post by: deepgreen on October 18, 2001, 05:49:36 PM
Post by: falkon2 on October 21, 2001, 02:05:32 PM
Post by: oldie on November 06, 2001, 07:41:50 PM
My bridges cannot compete with your records anymore.
I am really :confused: now.
Do your records all meet the same rules like the contest, or is it allowed to have structures or cables crossing the way of the train?
Post by: falkon2 on November 13, 2001, 05:22:47 PM
(Edited by falkon2 at 10:24 am on Nov. 13, 2001)
Post by: Genieser on July 31, 2002, 11:00:07 AM
Post by: Gray on October 27, 2001, 12:09:09 PM
101 - 56226 arthurdent
102 - 37148 Gray
103 - 71730 Chillum
104 - 27587 Gray
105 - 47848 alcor
106 - 23440 Gray
107 - 162192 Chillum
108 - 15862 Gray
109 - 90376 arthurdent
110 - 70988 arthurdent
111 - 105924 arthurdent
112 - 68636 arthurdent
113 - 39664 Gray
114 - 66200 arthurdent
115 - 194932 arthurdent
116 - 267760 arthurdent
All bridges should work on hard, 0 broken links with any train delay (especially pause-reset-start train-unpause).
(arthurdent didn't state that, but I assume his bridges comply to this).
(Edited by Gray at 3:36 pm on Oct. 28, 2001)
(Edited by Gray at 8:13 pm on Oct. 28, 2001)
Post by: Gray on November 06, 2001, 08:14:23 PM
If you need inspiration, try checking out my demo records page - you can download the bridges and maybe even learn some tricks...
Post by: Darkwolf9 on November 14, 2001, 03:58:51 PM
TTYL,
DarkWolfNine
Post by: Gray on July 31, 2002, 02:09:27 PM
Post by: on October 27, 2001, 05:52:24 PM
107: 162192
Post by: alcor on November 07, 2001, 06:27:24 AM
Some of my bridges have some decks reinvorced with a cable cross.
But not 105
Post by: falkon2 on November 14, 2001, 04:30:45 PM
DWN05 - 44478 (http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/images/smilies/dizzy.gif)
Post by: Genieser on August 04, 2002, 11:27:33 AM
Care to upload it at http://pontifex.phantomtech.info ?
I have to get acces first.
I've asked for acces 3 days ago, but I didn't get a reply yet :-(
Post by: Gray on November 07, 2001, 05:42:27 PM
)
Post by: Gray on November 14, 2001, 11:09:05 PM
Post by: on August 09, 2002, 02:41:55 AM
A real white-knuckle ride :biggrin:
Post by: alcor on November 07, 2001, 06:38:58 PM
I remember reading the clean rules on www.bridgebuildergame.com and the not crossing links wasn't there..
But then, if the contest rules apply, the cheaper version of 102 is legit, because ti works with TT and if you let it settle. It's only some misterious timing that makes it break (i still haven't been able to get it to break, Gray)
Post by: falkon2 on November 15, 2001, 05:58:03 AM
Post by: on August 15, 2002, 09:36:25 PM
Post by: Gray on November 16, 2001, 06:36:22 PM
113 - 38484
I hope no-one has a record in-between the old and new version...
Post by: Gray on August 15, 2002, 10:04:41 PM
Post by: on February 25, 2002, 09:31:41 AM
Post by: on August 16, 2002, 12:15:19 AM
5 new bridges uploaded!
Post by: CoG888 on August 23, 2002, 11:26:54 AM
(Its actually an optimization of Gray's existing record bridge.)
� -> �
Post by: Gray on August 24, 2002, 11:01:41 AM
Post by: CoG888 on August 24, 2002, 07:30:30 AM
MP1 Level 11: 70958 Clean
79082 (Chillum) -> 70958 (Me)
Not an optimization this time
Post by: Gray on August 30, 2002, 03:41:43 PM
113: 37992 (slightly modified Chillum's bridge, sorry
)
Post by: on August 30, 2002, 06:29:28 PM
I think alcor had a 110 for 54904? So your bridge wouldn't have counted, even if I hadn't got...
110: 53932
...when I was playing around last night. ;)
[edit]
My 105 bridge apparently breaks links
I think alcor had this record before me at 47848.
[/edit]
(Edited by Chillum at 5:55 pm on Aug. 30, 2002)
Post by: Gray on September 11, 2002, 03:04:34 AM
Only one non-downloadable record left for this Map Pack!
(also uploaded Gernot's 112 bridge, the 103 one was a bit late
)
Post by: on August 31, 2002, 03:14:48 AM
...and I think this can be beaten, but not by me at 4am ;)
Post by: Planwerk on September 11, 2002, 10:53:59 AM
Gernot
Post by: Gray on August 31, 2002, 01:29:27 PM
(Edited by Gray at 4:19 pm on Aug. 31, 2002)
Post by: Planwerk on September 11, 2002, 10:47:19 PM
I just couldn´t take my eyes of Chillum´s beautiful cable-stayed-solution of Lvl 03...
Although I do agree with Gray (the classic arches are way fine too), there can be a lot of beauty in a cable-stayed-bridge, either.
So here´s my answer to Level 03:
� (Mod of Chillum´s � bridge)
Going to post it in DWN´s record-site too, so everybody can test it (it´s presumed clean - as far as I can say by now...) ;)
Gernot
Post by: Gray on August 31, 2002, 10:12:37 PM
(In case it's bad that the train occasionally has trouble landing, I have a � version that avoids this, which is still a record)
Post by: Planwerk on September 11, 2002, 11:28:29 PM
I shouldn´t try to post anything at 1.15 a.m. (GMT+1), especially no new records at DWN´s-record-site...
I did something wrong, and - without any warning - the new record was accepted, but the bridge-file still was missing. For this reason, Level 3 hasn´t got a bridge file for downloading at the moment...
I allready posted it to DarkWolf9, because I hope, he will have better technical means for attaching a file than I had before...
Untill then, everybody can get this file "directly from the author" via eMail (if anybody wants to): just give your request to "G.Hildebrand@gmx.de"
Sorry for this, Gernot.
Post by: on September 01, 2002, 01:14:40 AM
This is like a tennis match! :cheesy:
Post by: Gray on September 12, 2002, 03:52:11 PM
Post by: James15 on September 06, 2002, 03:24:16 AM
Post by: Darkwolf9 on September 12, 2002, 06:44:22 PM
Post by: Gray on September 06, 2002, 10:52:23 AM
Post by: James15 on September 07, 2002, 02:02:24 AM
Post by: on October 18, 2001, 06:25:42 PM
But my latest attempt costs a grand total of...drumroll...�!
I say again: Mwuahahahaha!
Post by: Gray on October 18, 2001, 08:18:06 PM
MP1L2: �
He who laughs last laught best or something
Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Post by: on October 18, 2001, 08:28:54 PM
Any chance of you posting a pic? ;-D
Post by: on October 28, 2001, 03:13:23 PM
Mwuahaha?
Edit: 109 - 90134
(Edited by Chillum at 9:11 pm on Oct. 28, 2001)
Post by: arthurdent on October 18, 2001, 10:01:04 PM
01) 56226
07) 162320
08) 22186
09) 90376
10) 75906
11) 105924
12) 68636
13) 39852
14) 66200
15) 194932
16) 267760
Have fun!
Post by: falkon2 on October 31, 2001, 09:44:10 AM
(Edited by falkon2 at 6:57 am on Oct. 31, 2001)
Post by: arthurdent on October 18, 2001, 10:23:16 PM
Post by: oldie on October 31, 2001, 02:08:01 PM
Trade in 27364$ solution on Level 104 for a little hint to the level 109. :biggrin:
Just tell me where I have to send it, so you can verify it.
Post by: alcor on November 07, 2001, 06:44:26 PM
How many of ther ecord holders would be willing to share their record bridges? That way we can verify that all records comply to the rules, and they'll probably get better tested too.
The only drawback to this that i can see is people not wanting to share their techniques so that they can use them in contests.
I think someone (DarkWing, i think) has a site with a records page. We could have links there to the briges, to download.
Post by: jludka on October 18, 2001, 11:08:41 PM
Lots of broken links, but who cares ;).
Post by: Gray on October 31, 2001, 03:33:53 PM
Post by: Darkwolf9 on November 07, 2001, 09:53:19 PM
BTW, you can view the Records at http://www.phantomtech.info/pontifex/RecordDetails.asp?sPackName=MapPack1 (http://www.phantomtech.info/pontifex/RecordDetails.asp?sPackName=MapPack1)
As it stands There are 4 different Map Series' that are entered. Normal, Complex, MapPack1, and mine (DWNPack1) I have spots available for records on different difficulties as well. It might be interesting to see how cheap you could get bridges on Easy or Normal. Anyways, the code is built for it, but if you guys don't like the idea, it might be dropped.
Let me know,
DarkWolfNine
heh.
(Edited by Darkwolf9 at 2:55 pm on Nov. 7, 2001)
Post by: JohnK on October 19, 2001, 04:20:09 AM
Post by: oldie on October 31, 2001, 08:24:57 PM
Sorry for that Gray.
But in cases like this I just pull another record out of my hat. let's take this one:
39100$ for level 113 :o
Post by: alcor on November 08, 2001, 12:03:01 AM
i'll upload my bridges as soon as you'll have the feature enabled.
About the easy and medium difficulty, personally, i wouldn't even bother..
Post by: on March 27, 2002, 12:13:50 AM
114: 66172
(Edited by Chillum at 12:39 am on Mar. 27, 2002)
Post by: MrTaco on October 19, 2001, 08:43:01 AM
try again gary
Post by: Gray on November 01, 2001, 01:45:09 AM
104 - 27110
113 - 38364
(Edited by Gray at 4:15 am on Nov. 1, 2001)
Post by: nfelder on November 09, 2001, 07:57:39 PM
Post by: on April 01, 2002, 01:15:46 AM
Tee hee! :biggrin:
Post by: Gray on October 19, 2001, 10:20:24 AM
Post by: alcor on November 01, 2001, 02:28:16 AM
Hopefully i'll have something working soon, i've been very close a few times
(Edited by alcor at 10:30 pm on Oct. 31, 2001)
Post by: nfelder on November 09, 2001, 08:21:28 PM
Post by: Gray on April 01, 2002, 12:44:32 PM
Post by: Sang on October 19, 2001, 11:52:32 AM
Post by: oldie on November 01, 2001, 07:42:00 AM
To improve that will take time.
Post by: nfelder on November 10, 2001, 12:21:29 AM
Post by: alcor on April 09, 2002, 05:19:17 PM
i'm reinstalling Pontifex (i had formatted)..
Post by: alcor on November 04, 2001, 08:42:27 AM
102 -> 37132
106 -> 22946
107 -> 161362
109 -> 81304
112 -> 66565
now i'm going to sleep..
Gray, you'd better not have a new score for 102 when i wake up
(Edited by alcor at 7:27 am on Nov. 4, 2001)
Post by: on November 10, 2001, 01:54:46 AM
Just to keep the competition going :-)
I had one a little cheaper, looked great right up until the fourth pass, then the whole thing keeled over and plummeted into the abyss...hate it when they do that!
Post by: on May 07, 2002, 07:29:34 PM
New score is:
102: 35852
(Edited by Chillum at 6:30 pm on May 7, 2002)
Post by: Gray on November 04, 2001, 06:59:07 PM
Are you sure your 106 is clean (3 passes)? I had difficulties preventing my designs from starting to shake... only managed 22962 now, ARGH
Post by: alcor on November 10, 2001, 07:27:42 AM
1.10 -> 54904
Post by: dennytho on May 19, 2002, 02:41:58 AM
Post by: Gray on November 10, 2001, 10:00:37 AM
Post by: dennytho on May 19, 2002, 02:51:01 AM
Post by: Gray on November 10, 2001, 10:57:43 AM
Update: Big OOPS. tt really breaks... Posted it in a blaze of happiness ;) (I was also in a slight hurry) My apologies.
Still wondering how Alcor got 15744 to work...
(Edited by Gray at 10:31 pm on Nov. 11, 2001)
Post by: dennytho on May 19, 2002, 02:54:37 AM
Chillum, if you want to see how i did it, email me at briantho@mindspring.com
Post by: dennytho on May 19, 2002, 03:15:54 AM
Chillum, if you want to see how i did it, email me at briantho@mindspring.com
Post by: alcor on October 14, 2001, 08:02:45 AM
EDIT: the arrows point to new versions
1: 71328 -> 67488
2: 58618 -> 54082
3: 100166 -> 91882
4: 40884
5: 47848
6: 26630
7: 164526 -> 164570 yeah, it's more, but it looks better this way
8: 36670
9: 111140 -> 106212
10: 93338 -> 82864
11: 122490
12: 92288 -> 90224
13: 42300
14: 76776 -> 71012
15: 215464
16: 307912
Now show me yours
I also have a suggestion for ChronicLogic:
Would it be possible to give us a little space on this server where we could upload bridges to show other people, or maps, a screenshot, etc? I think something as small as 100k would be more than enough.
Hope you'll consider it
(Edited by alcor at 12:12 am on Oct. 15, 2001)
Post by: Gray on May 19, 2002, 12:13:59 PM
Post by: Gray on October 14, 2001, 08:24:12 PM
Post by: Gray on September 07, 2002, 11:55:39 AM
Post by: alcor on October 14, 2001, 08:36:33 PM
Post by: on September 07, 2002, 02:10:02 PM
109: 74898 :biggrin:
Further optimizations almost certainly possible...
(Edited by Chillum at 2:10 pm on Sep. 7, 2002)
Post by: Gray on October 15, 2001, 04:32:23 PM
1: 63336
2: 42696
3: -
4: 30586
5: -
6: (24548) (breaks with a certain delay, otherwise clean...)
7: 164112
8: (24548) (identical with L6)
9: -
10: 81024
11: (74638) (Dirty, completely collapses after train passes, really spectacular ;)
12: 79374
13: 42000
14: 70342
15: -
16: -
All done on hard, 0 BL, TT'able
Post by: on September 08, 2002, 03:31:16 AM
I'm really quite sad about this as far as I know, Gray's previous record was the last remaining 'traditional' arch bridge. Maybe they'll make a comeback in Pontifex II?
Post by: elrond on October 15, 2001, 11:31:32 PM
Spoiler: http://ctemp.dhs.org/php/map14.jpg
Post by: Gray on September 08, 2002, 10:02:06 AM
Post by: on October 16, 2001, 03:59:22 AM
(most of the others are embarassingly high...so far...)
Level 2: 42084
Level3: 79554
More to come ;-)
Post by: on September 09, 2002, 12:43:15 AM
so a slight mod was in order.112: 60355
Post by: alcor on October 16, 2001, 09:48:30 AM
or you have some secret ninja techique for level 3 .. i've been trying for a few hours to get it under your 79554$, and i'm starting to get the impression the bridge is mocking me.. or it might just be the lack of sleep.. aaanyway, you also inspired me to redo my level 2 to beat your score, and that one did work out.. anyway, here are my updated scores:
1: 57540
2: 41959
3: 88106
4: 28500
5: 47848
6: 24076
7: 162814
8: 36670
9: 106212
10: 80030
11: 122490
12: 70194
13: 41596
14: 69600
15: 215464
16: 307912
I've redone most of my other ones to beat yours, Gray
all except 8 (i don't know how you could use the solution from 6), and i didn't even bother redoing 11, it's too ugly to concentrate on right now.
As a side note, i'm getting cable this wednesday morning, so i'll put up a page with screenshots and bridge files in a few days, and i'll probably host other people's bridges too, if they need space.
(Edited by alcor at 2:51 am on Oct. 16, 2001)
Post by: on September 09, 2002, 01:29:52 AM
115: 141722
I'm absolutely certain it can be improved, and anyone willing to put the time in on this loathsome abomination is more than welcome to the record. Gah!
;)
Post by: on October 16, 2001, 06:29:30 PM
3: 79554
9: 90754
10: 73336
13: 41324
Don't worry, I really suck at suspension bridges! I must be missing something...
Post by: Gray on September 09, 2002, 09:58:07 AM
I had this yesterday, but I wanted to improve it further... Now I see it will be a very short-lived record (I think the cable approach has more potential), so I've uploaded it... long live the arch bridges!
P.S. Surprised me to see how close the prices of the two bridges are...
Post by: on October 16, 2001, 07:27:05 PM
2: 41078
Mwuahahahaha!
Post by: on September 09, 2002, 01:41:34 PM
115: 139673
P.S. Surprised me to see how close the prices of the two bridges are...
I just stopped fiddling with mine as soon as I had something cheaper than alcor's record, did you? ;)
Post by: on September 10, 2002, 03:03:35 AM
Post by: Planwerk on September 10, 2002, 07:17:35 AM
This is Gernot (logged as Planwerk, dont´be surprised)
L03: 67079 (had 66279 allready, but with BL sometimes)
L12: 59743
Going to post it to Gray first (for testing) before uploading to DarkWolf9´s inofficial record site.
Post by: Gray on October 19, 2001, 02:15:30 PM
You can't beat me.