Not working on ATI Rage Mobility?

[Step]

When I try and play Pontifex on my Laptop that has ATI Rage Mobility I cant see mouse cursor or any of the menu. I am using DX8 and all new drivers, please help.

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[baggio]

There was another site I had found that supported the ATI OpenGL... http://www.soundcardcentral.com/rage3d/rageltman.htm" target='_blank'>http://www.soundcardcentral.com/rage3d/rageltman.htm If this doesn't have what you need, I don't know what to tell you. It seems like these problems are driver problems.

When I had an ATI, it seemed like they were taking forever to get OpenGL compatible drivers to the market. I no longer use my ATI in part because of that. Perhaps these are not complete driver sets, and/or perhaps CL is using some sledom used function. Hopefully these drivers will take care of your issue. If they don't you've given it you best, and I'd submit a formal complaint to ATI first, then perhaps CL.

I don't think the problem is CL's though, for the simple fact that P* runs on other videocard makes.

(Edited by baggio at 10:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2001)

[JohnK]

Many people have described problems when running PFX on ati rage cards. Do you have the newest version? If not, download it and try again. If it still doesn't work, hope for a fix in the next version. Good luck!

[baggio]

Why is the freaking reset button so close to the submit?!?!?

I'm not going to rewrite my doctorial thesis again, but this is the jist of it. If you can't get an OpenGL ICD for your video card, but you have DirectX, try http://www.scitechsoft.com/gldirect.html" target="_blank">GLDirect and see if it solves your problem.

I tried this tonight on an ATI Mobility laptop, and I did not have a menu. Perhaps this will work for other cards and/or manufacturer's.

[jfheon]

I can't get it to run ATI Rage 3D Pro on windows 2k even though I have the latest driver (w2k_rpro_5_0_2195_4018). It shows the game title but not the menu option and the cursor is black. Kind of hard to see on a black background ;) A friend with ATI Rage mobility on his laptop can not get it to work either. But the games run well on my machine at home, a P133 with a simple banshee card on w98 :biggrin:

(Edited by jfheon at 9:02 am on Nov. 1, 2001)

[Eric69]

First want to thank Baggio for his advice about the ATI and OpenGL problems.  http://www.pontifex2.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

I tried all the tips he gave but none of them worked. The SciTech GLDirect is till so far the best because I have seen the mouse cursor but still the menu is not visible. :sad:

I think that Chronic Logic has to fix this problem, other OpenGL demos work fine on my VIAO. :confused:

[Hawthorns]

I too have tried to get PFX to run on a machine with ATI Rage gfx card onboard. It runs other 3d software fine but with PFX I get the same blank screen problems in full screen mode... or menus visible but very slow performance in windowed mode.... It would be nice to see a fix as I would like to use the program as part of a 'bridges project' with some of my pupils.

[mendel]

It might help if you downloaded http://www.delphi3d.net/hardware/index.php" target="_blank">GLInfo, saved a report, put it on the web and posted the URL to that here (or sent the report to baggio or me - or even ChronicLogic, too). You might also check the database at the GLInfo site to find out which features your OpenGL driver does NOT support that are supported on common cards such as a TNT2, or the Matrox cards.

Let's try to get this bug swatted!

[baggio]

I was trying it on an ATI Rage Mobility P last night.  It looked exactly the same as my nVidia GeForce 256 DDR with the default drivers from Windows XP.  Neither installation had OpenGL support.  New Det. drivers from nVidia provide a full OpenGL ICD.  The drivers for my ATI do not.

IF you get a screen that has no red, and is very slugish -- You DON'T have an OpenGL ICD for your graphics card, and are relying on the software version in Windows.  That version is very minimal, and not intended to replace one from your video card manufacturer.

[jfheon]

Chroniclogic: are there any plan to look into the ATI 3D RAGE PRO problem with Pontifex? Or should we just forget it?

Thank you http://www.pontifex2.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[baggio]

I don't think there is a problem... you just need to install an ICD. If you have a normal ATI card, get the drivers from ATI. I think every card they make now has a basic ICD. Some of them are not the Official drivers though, they are beta.

If you have a Rage Mobility, you are at the whem of the laptop manufacturer. The Rage Mobility chipset will support OpenGL as stated on ATI's website, but it is up to the laptop manufacturer to implement that in the drivers. Harrass them, not ATI or CL.

You may want to try http://www.glsetup.com" target="_blank">GLSetup.com to see if it helps. The site appears to be down at the moment, but I suspect it will return shortly. If not, there are older versions mirrored at various 3D graphics sites. Do a search for GLSetup.

http://www.rageunderground.com/drivers.shtml" target="_blank">Rage Underground also provides unofficial drivers with and ICD. This is unfortunately a problem with ATI, and there isn't much that CL can do about it.

(Edited by baggio at 3:46 am on Oct. 31, 2001)

(Edited by baggio at 3:48 am on Oct. 31, 2001)

[Eric69]

Strange that OpenGL is not supported by the Windows 2000 drivers because OpenGL is since NT 4.0 a standard feature.

GLSetup only supports OpenGL for Win95/98 and not Windows 2000 (because it is standard). I know that GLSetup (now sponsored by ATI) will work on a GLSetup version for Windows 2000/XP to enhance the standard version.

Thanks for the tip about Rage Underground, I will try to find something there that let me play Pontifex.

[jfheon]

I have the latest driver from the ATI web site. The driver I have for the ATI Rage 3D Pro for windows 2000 (w2k_rpro_5_0_2195_4018.exe) is said to support openGL and the standard 3d pipe screensaver works well. It just does not work with Pontifex. Note that my video card is not a ATI Rage 128 so the Rage Underground website will not help me. Maybe there is another OpenGl utility or software that I could test ont w2000? Anybody here got the ATI Rage 3D Pro to work with Pontifex on 2000 or maybe on w98?